Subject	The equation isn't that simple.
Posted by	Kenny on February 05, 2004 at 5:55 PM
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In Reply To	2nd..... more surface area = shorter stopping distance (n/m) posted by BooZted (soon supercharged) on February 05, 2004 at 05:27 PM
Message	There are many factors when it comes to braking torque. Surface area is just one of those factors. All other factors being equal, a set of cross-drilled brakes will slow better after repeated use than a set of non-drilled rotors. The non-drilled rotors will have more surface area. There are other factors at work - brake fade, distance of the rotor from the center of the wheel, etc. I'm not arguing against your point, I am stating that "bigger" or "more" isn't always better. There are many more factors in the braking equation than "surface area." WAR!! Kenny... PETZ Member #5 genic: 'it doesnt work..you changed something last night..and now it doesnt work' .. 'really? cause i didnt know i stay at work 24/7 and change stuff just to mess with you' .. 'well it doesnt work today' .. 'really? let me connect and see...hmm..so you cant do this *doing what she cant do* ..and this? *doing it again* ...wow, i must have really changed something' *click*
Follow Ups	How many of you guys have brake upgrades? - ZleppyZ 17:10:07 02/05/04 First question you have to ask yourself is, what do you - PA_Z 17:15:45 02/05/04 I disagree. I drive different Z's everyday and I have to - AshsZ 17:20:54 02/05/04 Everything you wrote agrees with what I said. Re-read - PA_Z 17:22:49 02/05/04 "Dont expect shorter stopping distances". That's what - AshsZ 17:23:57 02/05/04 And he's right. If you disagree, you're wrong. - Marshall 17:26:23 02/05/04 Well said. That was exactly my point, only you said it - PA_Z 17:32:18 02/05/04 I'm just going to break the ice and give this thread a nice - SpeedyTTZ 20:38:05 02/05/04 I think you are confusing what I am saying, that's all. - AshsZ 17:32:38 02/05/04 yeah, avoiding brake fade would be the primary reason - Marshall 17:37:09 02/05/04 Thankyou sir. =) (n/m) - AshsZ 17:38:56 02/05/04 For some, it's the *bling* factor. (n/m) - SactoTodd 17:53:42 02/05/04 *most. (n/m) - Kenny 17:57:46 02/05/04 For the enthusiast, its all about braking ability. :) (n/m) - AshsZ 18:05:47 02/05/04 unfortunately, you're right. (n/m) - Marshall 20:45:00 02/05/04 I considered a stoptech system, and decided that - BigTDogg (MA) 21:03:31 02/05/04 Like I said several posts back. You didn't disagree with - PA_Z 17:44:47 02/05/04 I dont know why I'm trying so hard here, but I guess - AshsZ 18:01:26 02/05/04 2nd..... more surface area = shorter stopping distance (n/m) - BooZted (soon supercharged) 17:27:01 02/05/04 Wrong. More surface area = more braking torque to the rotor - PA_Z 17:30:57 02/05/04 Wrong. When the brakes fade, you are no longer limited - AshsZ 17:36:10 02/05/04 If you re-read my post (again) you'll see that I acknowledge - PA_Z 17:46:46 02/05/04 I give up. You win, but you are wrong. (n/m) - AshsZ 18:04:24 02/05/04 *Double-Sigh* OK Ash... - PA_Z 18:14:51 02/05/04 where do you fit in? (n/m) - John@Z1 18:34:58 02/05/04 What's up ash, Bitch!?!? - Spongerider :) 18:52:54 02/05/04 Keep guessing... (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 00:07:59 02/06/04 Nice one>> - Spongerider :) 11:08:46 02/06/04 LOL, I know three others that do that too ;) (n/m) - ZBlacktt 12:32:42 02/06/04 Not sure I understand the question, John. - PA_Z 18:53:14 02/05/04 i would go elsewhere for that conversion. - Chris(NJ) 19:25:35 02/05/04 I'm beginning to think so too. So what do you think? - PA_Z 19:26:39 02/05/04 DIY! :) (n/m) - Guapo 19:29:56 02/05/04 LOL. Too afraid I'll screw it up + no time (2 young kids) :) (n/m) - PA_Z 19:33:18 02/05/04 oh, dont forget bernie too. he'll do it i'm sure (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 20:16:49 02/05/04 Bernie is da man =). (n/m) - Kenny 20:35:04 02/05/04 I'm up for it as long as we can lay out the logistics in a - YugoBernie (NoVA) 22:07:35 02/05/04 lol - RobWR14 19:31:18 02/05/04 it goes FAR beyond this post. (n/m) - Spee 19:52:38 02/05/04 either united auto sales, rich @ ztech, or shawn @ psr. - Chris(NJ) 19:51:38 02/05/04 2nd (n/m) - Spee 19:51:37 02/05/04 This is an argument on stock brakes vs. larger, upgraded - AshsZ 19:54:52 02/05/04 That's what I thought too, until John jumped in with - PA_Z 20:21:32 02/05/04 I hear you. - SactoTodd 18:49:38 02/05/04 Magazine reading pays off again! (n/m) - shirow 19:13:06 02/05/04 Yep. Makes sense. - PA_Z 19:29:35 02/05/04 It's not all about stopping distance. - RobWR14 19:26:38 02/05/04 I have no idea why this subthread exists Rob, because - PA_Z 19:30:40 02/05/04 lol- forgive me if I missed one of your posts (n/m) - RobWR14 19:32:02 02/05/04 Wrong. The brakes aren't the bottleneck. The rubber is. - Marshall 17:32:29 02/05/04 Up until brake fade kicks in, yeah. And trust me, - AshsZ 17:36:47 02/05/04 I know. I wasn't arguing against that aspect. - Marshall 17:38:50 02/05/04 The other day I was testdriving an NA-TT conversion - AshsZ 17:44:35 02/05/04 Actually, more surface area = higher heat capacity, - AshsZ 17:35:32 02/05/04 Nope. If you get more fade resistant pads, you'll stop - PA_Z 17:43:29 02/05/04 To a point... - Funky 17:47:18 02/05/04 True, but most people will not reach that point unless they - PA_Z 17:48:16 02/05/04 Yes, most people won't... - Funky 17:49:35 02/05/04 *Sigh* Didn't I say that in my original post? ;-) (n/m) - PA_Z 17:51:03 02/05/04 Probably, but that was so long ago... - Funky 17:52:24 02/05/04 True enough. I guess he figures that repeating the same - PA_Z 18:16:00 02/05/04 Bro, it has nothing to do with what I think. - AshsZ 19:58:28 02/05/04 Well at least we agree on one thing. (n/m) - PA_Z 20:19:59 02/05/04 I'm sorry, you aren't speaking from experience. >>> - AshsZ 17:49:11 02/05/04 The equation isn't that simple. - Kenny 17:55:20 02/05/04 ...until the cross-drilled rotors crack... =) (n/m) - safZ 20:17:58 02/05/04 I've had mine for 18 months roughly (I think)... - Kenny 20:34:17 02/05/04 you've had yours for 18 month's of street driving (n/m) - Guapo 20:37:04 02/05/04 True - but they have roughly 25k miles on them. (n/m) - Kenny 22:16:18 02/05/04 About 30months on my Stealin's sofar, no crack or warpage... - Snoguitar 21:08:56 02/05/04 I think you better do some research (n/m) - TARGETZ 21:00:33 02/05/04 Research? - safZ 07:05:19 02/06/04 Any rotor will eventually crack under severe usage... - Funky 12:08:41 02/06/04 Whee...another clusterfawk within a week =) (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 19:51:40 02/05/04 Sorry for contributing to it, Ryan. I'm on edge this week - PA_Z 20:31:17 02/05/04 lol, don't apologize to me! The forum was kinda slow until - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 01:44:35 02/06/04 Not disagreeing with what you said PA_Z, but - Dan (Vancouver) 00:06:26 02/06/04 Z1 Motorsports 13" Big brakes: - AshsZ 17:18:33 02/05/04 When are you guys gonna start selling that kit? - michaelkih 17:57:21 02/05/04 Soon. We are waiting for the brakets to be built. - AshsZ 18:08:13 02/05/04 Are those floating rotors? or 2-piece non-floating? (n/m) - Funky 18:09:47 02/05/04 Re: How many of you guys have brake upgrades? - Funky 17:19:54 02/05/04 Agreed! - ScreemZ 18:00:53 02/05/04 sexiest sig evah. (n/m) - hoss 14:04:49 02/06/04 Stillen/AP Six Pots Here - Alex Lee [DE] 18:21:42 02/05/04 how do you feel about the front bias now w/ those ? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 19:43:20 02/05/04 Stoptech... stop... period... (n/m) - Scotts94z32 18:51:24 02/05/04 Big $$$$, period. =) (n/m) - AshsZ 19:52:02 02/05/04 probably because they don't just throw big rotors on and - 3 double-0 ZX(Va Bch) 20:38:08 02/05/04 Did you read the braking contest in the latest USCC in SCC? - TTony 22:21:43 02/05/04 who cares about 1 stop from 60-0, really. That can be done - Scotts94z32 12:10:22 02/06/04 I spent a good bit of time making it all fit.. A bracket - AshsZ 10:30:53 02/06/04 How is the brake bias with the cobra setup? - Funky 12:19:02 02/06/04 you get what you pay for. (n/m) - Spee 20:53:42 02/05/04 2nd. (n/m) - Funky 22:49:31 02/05/04 That's what I hear.. (n/m) - AshsZ 10:06:44 02/06/04 That's exactly where this story "stops" (n/m) - Scotts94z32 16:30:19 02/06/04 Funny you ask. >> - Arnel(Z32R.com) 22:46:39 02/05/04 Werd. You won't question the price the 1st time you hit - YugoBernie (NoVA) 23:42:25 02/05/04 I agree 100% (n/m) - Funky 00:03:16 02/06/04 I do. Porsche Big Reds - FLYT300 02:16:07 02/06/04 I cut a hole in the floor and stick my feet into the ground. - RSR 06:49:01 02/06/04
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